To identify all
the descendants of Col Thomas O'Carroll who were living in
Cork during the 18th & 19th century. When did
they arrive there from Moira, where did they live and what
were their occupations. Trace all their descendants.
Synopsis
John Carroll
(b.1740) probably moved to Cork in his early years. In
1776 John married a Sarah Corfield (b1746) at Mallughmast,
Kildare. They had four children, Samuel, Joshua
(1781?-1831), Thomas (1784-1833) and John (1790-1804).
This branch of the family probably lived in Cork for 150
years.
A potted
history
The family history in
Ireland can be split into three eras. The times when the
O'Carrolls were pre-eminent in central Ireland up to the
early plantations and the Battle of the Boyne; the
sojourn in the Lagan valley (at Moira outside Belfast
around Lisburn); and settlement in Cork until John
Thomas Carroll moved to England. There are very few
dates known for these eras. We know of course that the
Boyne was fought in 1690. The Cork Carrolls had left the
homestead at Moira well before 1800 when Edward Carroll
emigrated to America. All known Carrolls appear to have
left Moira by the time an American cousin visited the
old homestead in 1884.
WHEN DID THE CARROLLS ARRIVE IN
CORK?
John
Carroll (b.1740) moved to Cork in 1765; probably
with his elder brother Thomas. In 1776 John
married Sarah Corfield (1746-1830) at Mallughmast,
Kildare and their son Joshua was born in Cork about
1781.
WHERE DID THEY LIVE IN CORK?
We do not have any information about where the brothers
first lived.
When John
(1740-1819) died he was living in Sydney Place, Cork.
There was also a residence named Carolina.
WHAT
WAS THEIR OCCUPATION?
In 1809 John
and Joshua Carroll were recorded as
being timber merchants in Cork.
In 1824 Carrolls were recorded as merchants
and corn merchants and by 1846 merchants
and ship owners and timber merchants. By
1913 JH Carroll & Sons were recorded as stock
brokers and estate agents.
The Irish Stock Exchange (ISE) was established
by the unification of the Cork and Dublin exchanges
(both of which were founded approximately about 1793)
and it became the major stock exchange of Ireland. In
1799, the Stock Exchange (Dublin) Act which controlled
the Cork and Dublin exchanges, was
approved by the Irish Parliament. [source:
http://finance.mapsofworld.com/stock-market/irish-stock-exchange.html]
WHEN DID THE CARROLLS MOVE TO
ENGLAND?
It is difficult
to say exactly when the Carrolls left Cork for England,
but they appear to have moved in dribs and drabs. My
great-grandfather John Thomas Carroll was living in
Richmond when his first wife Annie died in 1898.
Certainly his son, Claude O'Carroll, my grandfather,
moved to England as a boy (of about 12 in 1892), was
listed as a lodger in Barnet and a Stock Exchange jobber
in the 1901 census and was well established in England
by the time he married Edith Bywater-Ward on 19 April 1911.
I have a letter from John Carroll to his father dated 20
February 1892 from an address in Streatham which is now
part of South London. I have assumed that this letter
was sent to Cork but I have no proof of this. I don't
know whether John's father ever lived in England but he
died in Cork in 1905.
Joseph Hatton
Carroll (John's younger brother) was married in Whitton,
Middx, in 1892 (Rev.Thomas Carroll, his cousin was Vicar
there from 1890, so I suppose he conducted the
marriage). But his daughter Nesta was born in Cork in
1893. On the death of Joseph Hatton Carroll in 1929 he
left property at Patricks Quay and MacCurtain Street,
rent from Sidney Place and Carolina, which I have always
assumed was his residence. This detail comes from a
document prepared by J H Carroll & Sons of 80 South
Mall, Cork. My grandfather (Claude St.John O'Carroll)
was an executor of his will and paid out cheques to the
Gosport District Gas Co and the Gosport electricity
company. His wife Mary died in Gosport in 1941. It seems
safe to assume that they lived in Gosport! They had two
children Theodore and Nesta. Nesta married a Geoffrey Crick and the
family ends there as far as I know.
John's elder
brother was called Theodore and he had two children John
(born 1867) and Joseph. Joseph had a daughter called
Jocelyn who married Raymond William Richardson. She lived in
Wimbledon at the same time as my part of the family but
moved to Witney near Oxford. I met her a couple times
but alas I was not so interested in the family history
as I am now. She had three sons, Brian, Michael and
David. She gave Brian O'Carroll (in Cornwall) three
portraits of their shared Hatton ancestors. I believe that John's
mother was a Hatton though it may have been his
grandmother. The portraits are of Joseph Hatton
(1821-1885) and his wife, and I assume his father Thomas
Hatton (1784-1833). Joseph Hatton could not have been
the father of John's wife but perhaps could have been
his uncle and therefore the Joseph Hatton after whom
J.H.O'Carroll was named. This is all a bit of a mystery
on which no doubt Jocelyn Richardson could have shed
some light.
FAMILY TRADITIONS
The family
tradition is that we are descended from Lieutenant-Col
Thomas Carroll who died in 1690 at the Battle of the
Boyne. The fact that he was attained in 1692 and his
property confiscated does not contradict this part of
the family tradition as this could happen after his
death.
A Col Francis
Carroll survived the Boyne and served in France in the
Irish Brigade and died in the battle of Marsaglia. I
believe that our ancestor was his first Lieutenant at
the Boyne. Some details of the Carrolls and O'Carrolls
who fought at the Boyne can be found in King
James's Irish Army List (1689)by John
D'Alton, 1855.
Was John related
to Charles Carroll of Carrollton?
It has always
been the tradition that there was some connection but how
far back no-one was sure. Daniel Carroll was the great
grandfather of Charles Carroll of Carrollton who signed
the American Declaration of Independence. He has proved to
be the common ancestor.
Daniel
O'Carroll
of Litterluna (d 1688) had four sons:
|
Anthony of Lisheenboy
|
Charles "the Settler"
1661-1720
|
Lt.Col. Thomas
d.1690
|
John
d.1733
James
Capt. in Ld Dongan's Regiment
|
Charles Carroll of Annapolis
1702-1782
|
Thomas
|
3 sons
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
1737-1802
Edward
b1715
|
John
1740
Thus, Charles
Carroll of Carrollton and Edward were second cousins.
See O'Hart's
Irish Pedigrees and Ronald Hoffman's Princes of Ireland,
Planters of Maryland- a Carroll saga 1500-1782
(University of North Carolina Press, 2000).
When did the
family reassume the Ó.
The family
tradition is that we readopted the Ó
prefix in 1894. John Thomas Carroll and his
sons Wilfred Vivian Ferns and Claude St.John started to
use the prefix perhaps influenced by the Gaelic League.The
revival of Gaelic consciousness in the later eighteen
hundreds saw many Irish families re-assume the Mac,
Mc, Ó or other Irish form of their names.
The
Gaelic League was founded in July 1893 by Eoin MacNéill to
preserve and extend the use of Irish as a spoken language.
The Gaelic League was the most important organization
associated with the Gaelic revival of the late nineteenth
and early twentieth centuries.
BUSINESSES
BEARING THE CARROLL NAME IN CORK 1809-1914
There
are a number of companies with the Carroll name which
may be associated with our branch of the family:
John &
Joshua Carroll, timber merchants of Cork [source
Holden’s Triennial Directory, Cork 1809]
John Carroll
(1740-1819)and his son
Joshua Carroll (1777-1831)
J & B Carroll, merchants and ship
owners, timber merchants, Leitrim St [source: E.
Slater’s Directory, Cork 1846]
Possibly
Barcroft
Haughton
Carroll
(1812-1862)
and
his
brother John (1807-1869 )
Carroll
J
H
&
Sons,
Stock
Brokers,
Estate
Agents,
80
South Mall [source: 1913 Telephone Directory]
Joseph
Hatton
Carroll
(1820-1905
)
and
his
son Joseph Hatton Carroll (1855-1941)
Carroll
J
H
&
Sons,
80
South
Mall
[source: 1914 Postal Directory]
Joseph
Hatton
Carroll
(1820-1905
)
and
his
son Joseph Hatton Carroll (1855-1941)
[list prepared by David
O’Carroll, 6 May 2009 from sources on the internet]
Author: David O'Carroll, UK.
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